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Aug. 23, 2022

How To Leave The Job You Hate For The Work You Love (PT 2) w/ Tim Rhode

How To Leave The Job You Hate For The Work You Love (PT 2) w/ Tim Rhode

Tim Rhode's #1 goal is "Getting as many ski days as possible in per year" - and he counts them.
Tim is the perfect example of someone with an "enough" number, and he sticks with it.
Learn today about enjoying the ride and building a life worth LIVING
 

He eventually found his “niche” selling real estate; and from 1986 to 2000, he sold over 2,500 homes and from 1997 to 2006 he invested in over 100 properties. Tim focused on saving money, keeping his expenses low, and playing solid “financial defense” which allowed him to basically retire, and he was financially free at the age of 40. 

 

Not wanting to play hike, bike  or ski all day, Tim threw his energy into his true passion: helping people thrive and live their most fulfilling life. He founded the nonprofit 1Life Fully Lived to help people of all ages gain the tools and skills they need to thrive and also co-founded GoBundance, a high-level  mastermind, with David Osborn, Pat Hiban and Mike McCarthy to help healthy, wealthy, generous people lead epic lives.   We have a women’s tribe now!

 

Tim has also authored numerous books and has been featured on a variety of podcasts and media outlets.  He now lives near his children in the High Sierras with his wife and dog.

You can contact Tim at Tim@timrhode.com

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The Quitter’s Manifesto: Quit a Job You Hate for the Work You Love

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Transcript
brian:

Tim Timothy Timmy road. How are you buddy?

tim:

I'm doing great. I'll take all three,

brian:

man. You are one of the people that have sincerely changed my life. I am so serious. The gratitude that I have for you, you have fundamentally changed who I am as a human being. And I'm not entirely sure if you know that. So I wanted to let you know that out

tim:

the gate, that starts the episode off on a good part. And let's take it from there and see where we can bring. So that's

brian:

great, man. So let me paint a picture for all of you before we intro Tim here of two versions of me. So version one of me was very myopically focused on money and wealth generation and nose to the grindstone, very corporate, doing everything I could to work the extra 10, 20, 30 hours that I needed to make more money. I would sacrifice anything I needed to get to where I wanted to go. And I would sacrifice any. I would run over people. I'd run through people. I'm like whatever I have to do to win I'm winning. And then Tim changed my definition of what winning was. And so now being introduced to you and David and pat, and GoBundance , this has matured me as a better way of putting it. This has matured me economically, of course, but also philosophically a lot. Mr Tim road, I'll let you introduce yourself to the people.

tim:

awesome. Thanks for having me on Brian. Pat Hyman, and I wrote this awesome book called the quitters manifesto. Quit the job you hate for the work you love. And if you think about what Brian just said, I think that's what we helped him with before we even wrote the book. And that was quitting his old incarnation of who he thought he should be. And whoever's listening to this. Think of this for you. Everything that's brought you to this point is everything you've known, your parents, your teachers, your counselors, all the people that got in your dome and told you this is who you're gonna be. And I think what I was lucky with Brian was to get some. Time with him out in the boonies at some Gobek events talking about, who are you really? And why. And then we did some coaching and I think it kinda helped change his direction. And I went through my, the same thing myself. Let me give you my quick background. Here. I was the kid in your class, throwing spit wads at you and paying zero attention to anything the teacher said, cuz I just didn't understand. Why did I need to learn the periodic tables or, things that I knew I'd never used. So I barely graduated high school. There's no way I was gonna go to college. I couldn't sit still long enough. So I was a grocery clerk at 25 years old with two small kids. And. Just barely making it. And then, I found my in the book we talk about a trape to take you from one place to the next in your life. And the first trape for me was selling real estate and it was the turn first time I ever put a key in the lock and it. and I felt like I was doing something that I was meant to do. So from 25 to 35, I love selling real estate. I woke up every single day with the song. Welcome to the jungle. Correct.

And hit the office at 7:

00 AM. Anton coffee. Nah, you couldn't tell me no. And I was really good at it. I really cared about. Coming through for people. And if I, if I put my sign in your yard, we were gonna freaking. So during that time I really enjoyed it. And then around 35 and some of you can relate to this. It started oxidizing the rest in my career. What was so fun from 26 to 35, from 36 37 38 39. It was like, I'm just. Feeling this. And I had this conversation in my head of what do you wanna do if you don't wanna do this? And it was, I never wanna sell another house. I'm just sick of this. Whoa. What are you gonna do? This is a conversation on my head. Yeah, it was well you flipped a home recently and that worked really well. What if you just never worked for anybody, but you and you were your own best client. And so I went back and I was actually in Belise when I went through this thought process, went back, changed my whole team and. And this is a huge part of all this changing your identity. And I wrote, Tim is now an investor. And at what's the outcome, what's the purpose. What's the action plan. Where are you gonna find your deals? Where are you gonna get your money? What are all the things that are gonna make this from a drain to reality? So for the next I quit working realistically at 40 and from like 2000. The year, 2000 to 2007, I only represented myself. I only bought rentals, flipped houses and that took me from 20 to two thou 2000 to 2007. And right at the top of that market, I sold everyth. And yeah. And sold 17 properties with 52 tenants. And the party was on. I never had to work again if I chose not to. And I went full circle of the kid in high school who never worked that hard. It was like I'm spending the rest of my life being that person and that's where I've been for. Gosh, the last 20 years of my life, I have games. I can't. Invest in any real estate myself, I can't really work. And if this is working, then I'm working. But I played these games of after I had made. The money to be exactly who I wanted to be. I got to spend the rest of my life, helping people like Brian, figure out who in the heck are you wanna be? And that's where my life changed for, last, like last 20 years. And I really enjoyed it. So there's a lot to unpack there, but

brian:

yeah. To say the least. So first and foremost, what are the things that you exemplify the most? Probably the person I think of when I think of this concept is the concept of having an enough number. Really? Yeah. And especially with the pod that you were in, you were one of the three and for people listening, Tim is one of the three original founders and then Mike came to, so we'll call it four original founders of GoBundance. And so you were with David and pat and Mike. And who were all very, gung-ho towards growing the businesses, growing the portfolios, getting into the nine figure range. And then for you, you were like, Hey, I am good enough where I'm at. How did you do that? And where did you come up with a number to stick to?

tim:

And I just wanna say that wasn't easy when you meet David Osborne and he tells you, I will be a billionaire someday, and this is where my head's at. And this is where I'm going. And pat Hyman, same thing. And Mike McCarthy, who, we've all had very good lives outside of just making money, but they were way more money aggressive. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting because I came up with that before I met them. . And so when I met to the, them, in my mind, I knew who I was, my, my CA line is get the goods in the woods and I wanna spend a lot of time Honoring who I've become. So like in 2004, when I met them, I knew I'm basically, I'm right in that phase of selling all those 17 properties with 52 tenants when I met them and I was turning my boat, moving to the mountain, set this next life and I'm meeting them there, going we're building it. And I'm. That's not for me, I'm in a different place wanting different things. So my game was could I ski a hundred days a year? Could I go to the coast and get how many abalone could I fill up on my dive card? You could get a hundred abalone a year. And I got you could only get four a day. And I got 88 in one year, while I'm skiing a hundred days a year and mountain biking and doing all the things that fulfill me and by the. While I'm doing all the quote, getting the goods in the woods, guess what I'm doing? I'm retooling in my brain of who am I gonna be in the next incarnation? And I'm helping them become who they wanna be, but I never lost sight of who I wanted to be. Number one, I will always get the goods. I will, as long as I'm on this. Every single day, I'm gonna go play that's number one, cuz it makes me feel good and it juices me and it sets everything else up. Being a great family, man, doing the things that are most important to me. Yeah, that's where I put my mindset was living my truth. If you. So while they were building, I was thinking about I'm gonna get the goods, but I'm also gonna give back in a big way. And I'm also gonna I just looked out what was going on in the world and saw it was getting tougher and tougher for one to live. What I always. Knew was the American dream. If you work hard, if you hustle, if you care about people and you show up every day and you work your butt off, you can freaking make it. So I wanted to, I had done this. I'd gone from that grocery or, that kid in the back of the class with the spit wa to the grocery clerk. To selling real estate to investing wisely, to becoming financially free at 40, I knew it was possible to do it. And I wanted, it was like I'd seen awes and I wanted to take others with. Okay. And Brian, you were, you saw me, we worked together for a year with me, just imparting all this wisdom, on how it can be done. And it's been so fun to watch your journey,

brian:

Tim, you saw me at my lowest too. Yeah, I did. You saw me like you saw me at rock bottom, so that's what people like that was before the show. This show was birthed at the end of 2021. Which was the end of the year where I was like, what the hell is going on? I just left a huge job to go to a software job because I tell people it was like trading a drinking problem for cocaine problem. it's so it's I gave up drinking. I was like, all right, guys, I'm done drinking, but I'm picking up cocaine instead. And oh wait, this is even worse. And then I was unemployed and then I was like, Tim help, please. . tim: Yeah. And I remember that those calls and you were, you were a lost soul and that's part of it. Let's go back to the trape I talked about. Yes. Yeah. You were, you fell off your freaking trap east. Is what, you let go and you were lost and you were spinning and you were trying to figure out where am I going with all this? And by the way, I'm painting you a really beautiful picture of everything I went through. You don't think I didn't go through crap like that, that's why I enjoyed talking about it here for people listening. Yeah. Because I did everything that could go wrong. Went wrong. For me and I still made it out to the other side. Yeah. But for me, why do

tim:

you think that is?

brian:

I can tell you why it is, and I know what it is in the book, and we're gonna get into that and I wanna get the way that we're doing this is perfect because we're using real world examples that are used to bake into the concepts of the book. But my safety net for my trapeze. For me, that was before, that was when I was broke Tim. I was at the lowest financial point I had ever been in my life because I had gone from a $200,000 a year job to making, to failing for the first time at the new job and then unemployed and still living a lavish lifestyle. I was like oh, here we go. I fell off my first trapeze swinging from trape one to trape two, the safety net that caught me was my community. And that was you. And that was GoBundance. And that was my friends, my peers, my mentors, and my go PODD never stopped taking calls every single week. I was on that call every single week. I was investing in coaching every single week I was investing in GoBundance and every single person just put the hand down and said, Hey, bud, come on up. We've got you. Let's figure this thing out. Step by. And something will happen, Tim, this time. This was about, yeah, it was a little early. It was about July of last year. So in a year from then I created this podcast probably five X, my income, and now I am living and doing this interview from Croatia. By the damn book people

tim:

yeah. Why we even get into it? Let's talk about I wanna reference the book. We talked about the trape and the nets. This you're also talking about your quit team. Yes. And in the book, we, and by the way, the book is very tactical. let me just say it's. The quitters manifesto. It's gonna be out on Amazon right away. You can get it@biggerpockets.com back last quitters manifesto it's available on audible. It's a great book. Please give us a five star review and we also have a coaching program at quitter's playbook dot. Is available. What I wanna ma touch on though, is you talked about the team around you that helped you from not letting you fail and that's the quit team. And we have four people in that. There's the stakeholders like your family and friends, the people that got your back and know you, and that's your pod in this case is all like your family. If you think about it, there's your partners, the people that are. Part that you're with all the time, and this is different for everybody. There's your mentors. And I was one that you went to and you leaned on almost like your personal board of directors. And if you have the means, there's also coaching. And we talked about coaching for this. If you're that into this, maybe you wanna take care of or take advantage of the quitter's playbook. I talked. And that's a coaching business that we have. So that's the quit team that helps you through this as you're going through it. And boy, it's not easy and it doesn't happen overnight. And there's ups and downs.

brian:

I would say the stronger that your quit team is, the faster the process

tim:

will be. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Because, and how much you lean on them, that's huge and I, yeah. Getting outta your own way. Yeah. I always had a David, pat, Mike, all the people in my world, my mentors, my former coaches. I still have two coaches that I'm 62 years old and I have coaches. So

brian:

Tim, I wanna circle back to that really quick because that's some observation that I've had about you for people listening. So we talk. Peer groups, masterminds Gopods quit teams on this podcast all the time. It's exceptionally important. It's one of the major keys to being, not part of that 95% statistic that does not make it to the freaking mountaintop. So when you guys were listening to Tim before, when he was talking about this original pod that he created, that became GoBundance 760 guys. It started with four and these other three guys were super intense and aggressive in what we call in the hunt. They were hunting. They were wanting to grow and build. And Tim said, I'm good. I know who I'm at. I know who I am. I know the value I bring to the table right now. This is not my focus, but this is my focus over here about getting the goods in the woods, playing, having fun and having fulfillment in my life. And guess what? David, pat, and Mike were. The fulfillment part. So what I like about you as a case study is people listen to this show and they say, what kind of value can I bring to be with heavy hitters like that? Like, how can I join go buns? How can I join those mastermind groups? Where maybe I'm not a millionaire, maybe I'm not worth 10 or 50 million. Like these guys I'm like, find your thing because for you, I've talked to David, I've talked to pat, I've talked to. All of them said the same thing they said I did not have fulfillment in my life until Tim wrote came along.

tim:

Wow. That's way. Cool. Yeah. And so that's a find your puzzle piece. Yeah. And another piece of that is make sure you hold up your end of being in that pod. I hear so many tell say my pod sucks. It's just, there it is. Nowhere near it as good. And there's guys that don't show up, they do this, they do that. Maybe it's you. I'm just saying. And I say that with, I say that from love I always made it a point to listen to David talking about KW and what's going on with the, Keller Williams and how he's starting private equity and doing all these things at a way bigger level than I ever dream buying his first plane stuff like that jet, and. I didn't want any of that stuff. It didn't interest me. It had nothing to do with my world, but I was always, and always have been a great acqui, active listener, and always cared about holding up my end of. Any freaking team. I'm a part of. When it came time to, for them to share with what their hopes what their dreams are, I'd really listen to, what are they, what, how can I add to this and what might they be missing? And I'd always talk about, Hey, what's going on with your game? Family. What are you doing with that? When do you do you take walk, walks with your wives? How do you, how are you helping them with their things? And just looking at what's missing where I can just say, Hey guys, I love what you're doing over here, but perhaps over here, what have you thought about this? And stuff. So I think they liked having me around number one for they, they knew I cared and act actively listen, and number two, they knew I was gonna take them on some wild freaking adventures. yeah. That's to say the

brian:

least. Yeah. Oh my God. That's a masterclass right now. People for you listening, that's exactly what you gotta do. And another another podcast, guess I had Philippe Mejia. He said, what's the best way to attract that mastermind group, creating your own pod, creating, how do you attract coaches, mentors, great partners. How do you find these people? And he said, people are asking the wrong question. He's people are all asking, how do I find that person? You be that person. Yeah. And then you attract. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what you did.

tim:

Yeah. Yeah. There's another way I heard that is living the question, not in the answer. And yeah. So many people, think they're all that, if they will and feel like you have to give knowledge and have to. Have the answers and stuff and instead, perhaps you should be more curious about I don't have the answers. I don't know Jack. And if you've lived a little, you realize them older, you get the more you realize I don't, I really don't have the answer. I think that's just another piece of making sure you're holding up your end of all the teams and stuff. And I wanna say one thing about this people have a negative connotation of the word quitting , Yeah. And I never had that. I told you back when I was in high school, I realized this stuff they're teaching. I just don't think I'm gonna use it. I, and by the way, basic map, basic English, all the basics, but trigonometry, all that crap. Come on. You guys, calculus, you really used. Yeah. Have you used any of that crap? I think it's, I think it's more of a wherever you are be there. And in this case, just having that that, that place to go where, you're holding up your in all day paid law is can only serve you.

brian:

Tim, that quote that you just said is one that you told me years ago, and it still sits with me. And it's still something I battle with is being where my feet are. Yeah. And you are the one that planted that seed in my head and it's difficult. And I'm curious, cause I asked pat this question and we'll air his answers after this, but I want to ask you the same question that I asked to pat, and that is for people that are in. They're w two, I'm curious to hear your perspective when you say, be where your feet are for me, in my experience, my perspective, I feel like because I was where my feet were in my w two and I was able to be damn good at that. Then I was able to be able to take my foot off the gas a little bit, because I systematized. I made it. I was able to do more work in less time. So I had more time to focus on building that side thing, 20%, 30%, 50% all the way up to getting to a hundred percent curious about your perspective

tim:

on that. It's interesting cuz I've watched you and I've watched so many in our world kinda as a mentor of a, to a mentee, just watching you. And I've seen so many who, as an example, Derek, Clifford's coming to mind. I went on a hike with him up in my. Neck of the woods. And he talked about Tim, this is where I am and I can do my job really quickly. And I'm very good at it. I don't like it anymore. And I wanna get over here but I'm fortunate. I make a lot of money. I can do things in a limited amount of time. And I can just, as you said, Brian, I can add more balls into juggle and help me with, I'm the using a trap ease. To make my life better. My current job better still produce what you have to do or you're freaking gone, so he was crushing it cutting his work time, juggling more balls over here. To where he finally let go of the trapeze and boy is that's the scariest thing and Brian, you experienced this and now you're on the other edge going. Oh yeah. But boys it's scary.

brian:

The second trapeze was just as scary Tim. Yeah. Like even when I had the revenue coming in outside of my job for people listening, I left my corporate job March 17th. And I remember. State because my pod told me, Hey, you're out March 17th or else, stop talking, get to

tim:

it. That's what a good pod does by the way. Accountability. Yeah.

brian:

Yeah. Yeah. And when I did that, I had a gap between March and July 6th, where I was getting on a one way flight. And for me. It was nerve wracking because it's still a battle that I have getting out of the corporate mindset and getting into the mindset of having free time having space. Having creative work, stuff like that. So it's a process. And I wanna circle back to something that you said about the the quit team. And I wanna put a pin in that and then move on to a couple of other tactics that you guys use while you're swinging from trapeze to get to the finish line here. And part of the way that I messed up the first time was creating a quit team of people that I was working with. That was a bad mistake. Because what ended up happening was. Hey, you have everyone just commiserating and complaining together. And it's just like that crab of buckets where I was thinking of

tim:

that crab. Oh, the crabs. So are them holding on your ankles as you're

brian:

climbing up? Yeah. Climbing up that bucket and eventually, word gets out, someone's say, Hey, here, you've been talking about, possibly leaving what you. Whoa, hold on a second. I've told you that in confidence, I thought you were leaving with me and then what they end up doing is taking that promotion instead. So that's a piece of advice I would probably give is finding some other people. So go over one more time so we could put a pin in it, the different people that you need for that quit team, cuz this is super important. Yeah. First of

tim:

all, as your stakeholders, this is your family, friends, all of those that depend on you. ACE check and wanna make sure that you're good. Number two is your partners. Number three, is your mentors and number four is your coaches. So those four.

brian:

Perfect. So as we're swinging from trape to trape, what are some other pieces of advice that you can give, especially for that mental battle for people? Because you open the book saying that 90% of this is a mental battle. And people either jump off with their and build a parachute on the way down, or they try to figure it out a different way. So talk to those.

tim:

These are, think of a you're at a cliff and that's the first place you're at is I'm about to jump off this cliff and leave this job and it's scarier than heck. And that's why the book is all about. Tactical ways to make darn sure that you put all the pieces together and you don't just jump off the clip and hope you don't and hope you build the plane. We help you build the plane as you go. So that's a huge piece of this book and uh, one of the tools that we use right along or right up front is something called the soul sucking audit And this is a piece of the book. How bad is it? And we say, if you're a 7, 8, 9, or 10 of the soul sucking audit Versus being a 6 5, 4 3, 2 1. If you're on a two and you wake up saying, I hate what I do, then it's probably time to find your next incarnation. And Brian, I know you can relate to this and that's where I was. That's where I was, when I was selling real estate at 26 to 35. I loved it every day until I didn't and something had flipped. And many of you reading this are, flipped on you and now it's scary. And you're at that cliff. And what do you do? How do you grab that first trap ease that to help you carry. To where you need to go. So that's not an easy thing to do, but that's what the book's all about. And by the way, that soul sucking audit, we measure five things to see if you're in the right place. Number one, am I being compensated fairly? Number two, is that respect by the boss and how I'm being treated, not just with money, but how they are treating you. Three is a. Is this a good fit for who I am and what I do, number four is the whole management team. Is it a good fit? Do I fit in with the others that I work with? And number five, most importantly, how do I feel every day when I wake up, do I wanna go to work or do I not? And if you remember at one point in my career, I cranked welcome to the jungle. Just all excited. I can't wait to get the work. I did the same at the end. It was like, yeah. And at the end it was like, oh God, I'm sick of this shit. Yeah. And by the way, One, one really important thing. You, Brian, you have all these new tools that you didn't have before for when you make the next leap of your trapes. You have the your team, your quit team, all the knowledge, the money behind you, hopefully all the things you didn't have before you should have, as you go through life. Cause quitting. It never. There should, hopefully you're not gonna do the same thing from 20 to 30, 30 to seven, yeah. It just, you should you should be getting new tools to hit, help you to go to the next incarnation.

brian:

Yeah. There's always different seasons in life and that's right. So yeah. So if you go back to a high school reunion and they say, Hey man, you haven't. That's a red flag, my friend. . Yeah, you should probably look into that. But another thing that you said, so on those five parts of the soul sucking audit so you're gonna rate those one through 10, correct? Each category, correct. Okay. And then if you're at a 7, 8, 9 or

tim:

10, yeah. If it's a eight, nine or 10. And you find yourself, dude, you're in a great place. Enjoy it. You're so freaking fortunate. You're doing what you do. You're making money. You love the team. If you're 8, 9, 10, stick with it. Seven's getting a little funky dice. If you're yeah, if you're 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, you.

brian:

Wow. And another part that I realized about that, I'll add one, one more part to the soul sucking audit first, and I'll say that a key indicator that I've used and I've seen to be true is look at your boss's boss. And it's if your boss is your boss's boss living a life that you are admiring, or do you look at them and you say, that doesn't look fun because that's what I did. I looked at my, so I had my sales manager and I had my VP of the Southeast and to grow in the company in most corporate America, it was like they wanted to promote me to a sales manager and then promote me to a VP. And I looked at him. And he was in its late thirties and he was not seeing his kids and he had young kids and he was never around. And it just seemed that he was just on calls 24 7. And I remember whenever he visited the office, it was just miserable. I was like, I have more fun being a sales rep than you do. And you're not making that much more than me cuz it's just preferred options and shares and stocks. So I'm like maybe you're making a hundred thousand more, but is it. And that was the moment where I was just like think it's time to

tim:

go. There's a page in the book it's called more pie. And you just described that guy. Yeah. And there's a joke in in the attorney world. Everybody wants to become a partner. And that's the whole holy grail has become a partner. And what do you get when you're the partner more pie and you don't get to go to your kids' parent teacher conference. You don't get to coach little league, you don't get to do the things that make a life so wonderful, and that's a really good thought that looking at your boss's boss. Yeah. They got more.

brian:

Yeah, congratulations on one with the pie contest and pie, eating contest. Here's another one. Here's another one. Here's another one. Oh man. I love it. Tim. Where do you see most people messing up and doing wrong.

tim:

We all get off track every now and then, you're going along, everything's fine. And something changes and all of a sudden you look and you're off the trap piece. We all go through this and I'll give you a great example of my life. So I talked about in 2007, I retired. I was not gonna list and sell any well, I was not gonna invest in any more property. I was just gonna have money coming in and I just do whatever I wanted to do. And boy, does that sound fun or what? So here I was I actually was coaching real estate investors. From my home making 250 an hour just throwing more income in and taking it easy. And the person I worked for was not reputable. They'd just, if you had a pulse and a credit card, they'd have you have. They would have them coach with me and I just didn't want to do it anymore. So I quit doing that in about 2011 and I was with my partners, David and pat going over my one sheet. And they noticed like I was making before, let's say 300,000 and I and I'm down and. I had a lot of rental properties and stuff. And if you don't weed your garden, sometimes it gets overgrown. And what was at one point like 20,000 a month income coming in was down to 12,000 a month. I was no longer coaching and all of a sudden I'm going over my Nu numbers with my partners who are talking millions of dollars coming in every month. And I'm not even making hundreds of thousands. Matter of fact, My I was living off, let's say 15,000 a month and my expenses were right around then, if not even slightly less. And to David, pat, and Mike, this was just not acceptable, Tim, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna list and sell real estate? Are you gonna go and best yourself and I'm and I wanna be I wanna honor them as my mastermind buddies, but in. Head, I'm just such a rebel. It's no, I'm not gonna listen, sell real estate. No, I'm not gonna invest myself. I'm gonna do what I always do. I'm gonna solve this by going outside, hiking mountains, thinking things through. And I thought of and I was talking before about having the right tools. I started thinking. I used to coach real estate investors. I don't wanna coach. I don't wanna invest myself. What if I have somebody else do all of the work? Wait a minute. Andrew Kushman just bought an apartment complex. that dude is a freaking baller. You used to coach him. What if you have Andrew be the burden on, he does all the work. David can qualify for the loans pat and I can sell we'll start a Synn. And then 2012, before we started go Benet, we started a syndicate called DAP using Andrew Kushman. And if any of you guys know Andrew Kushman, this dude is African baller. We bought 20 apartment complexes and, I make millions of dollars now off this, and this is a great example for you of, I fell off the trape when I'd retired and I had to solve it playing my game. Doing things my way honoring my partners and I, it was like, I hit that trapeze, and it didn't happen overnight. Then first we did one deal and the second deal wasn't quite as good. And and then he hit his stride and now he's buying 2, 3, 4 complexes per year. and the rest is history. So my point is you don't always have all of the answers and sometimes you fall off the trape yourself and you gotta use your ingenuity. And I love this word being a magic. I think that is who you become. Brian think of this in your own life. And all of you listening to this, think of the times you've solved this, where you fell off the trapeze, you were caught in a freaking net and you didn't know how you were getting at it. Get out of it. Think of the magician tools you use to, to fix it. And so many people don't fix it. They St say stuck in the debt for six months, seven years, the rest of their life. Some maybe you got a divorce, maybe you have a bad habit, drug habit. There's something that is that you're still on the net and you gotta pull yourself out of it. Man.

brian:

Woo. I just let you talk, buddy. I just let you talk. Hey, I did. Nah, that, Hey, it's better than anything I gotta say here. Hit a little bit more. Go, let's go deeper on your process of getting out in the woods. Because that is something that I'm starting to do. And then I'm about to do, I'm about to go to Austria and decompress a little bit, I'm gonna go out in the woods. I don't need to go to a freaking nightclub or nothing. I just want to go out and get the goods. And so that's what I'm gonna do and do some journaling, do some meditating, talk a little bit about getting out in the goods getting out the goods in the woods, whenever there's periods of friction, turmoil and decision making that needs to be. What's your process

tim:

with that? It's funny because going back to the kid in school, throwing spit wads, the other thing I did in the class was imagine myself. I grew up in the mountains where I still live and I'd imagined myself running through the mountains and jumping off rocks and just being out there. So I always loved. Playing if you will. And I always knew that was like a superpower or a secret weapon. So even when I was on the hamster wheel, like many of you are right now listening to this and you're in the trenches and it's, you're, you got a lot of expectations of you when I was there. People would say Tim, how'd you get the gigs? Then I said, I would go, I would leave my office. And all I had was a back alley it was sucked. There was a fence, there was a building. And I would just walk that back alley. Maybe I'd PO prospect. Maybe I'd just get my thoughts but to me, Moving getting my heart rate, elevating, getting that blood flowing. It just made the thoughts in my mind work. So just at, and I'm giving you the worst example of when I had the least amount of that, but still made it as effective as I could. And then when I was 40 years old and I decided I was gonna quit, I was not gonna list in salt anymore. Tim, what are you gonna do? I don't know. I'm gonna get the answers. I know I'm gonna, I know I'm gonna flip homes. I know I'm gonna figure stuff out, but I know a lot of my answers lie in the boonies and the more. I can get my heart rate elevated and feel good about myself. Just like you talked about Brian journaling. I think I now have over 20 journals. David and pat have like almost a hundred journals. How many do you have now, Brian? I have three. Yeah. I'm at, I'm at 20. I started in my late thirties but success leaves clues you guys. If you don't have a journal, go buy one. And go get your heart rate elevated, find or maybe better advice for you find where you find your happy place. Mine's heart rate elevated on a mountain. Some's the ocean. Some's like freaking glass of wine after the end of the day. And you lose yourself in that it's not seven glasses of wines. It's a something that helps you. Tweak your mind and take you to that place. Maybe it's meta meditation, maybe it's prayer, whatever it is, yourself, develop your skills, play your game. And I hope you've gotten that from this call with me of I, I know who I am and I've known who I was since I was that kid in school, and I just exactly, I've always played my game. And it goes back

brian:

to ancient history, what did the Greek philosophers do? Like they, they hiked, they walked and they thought they walked and they thought, and they walked and then you go, like you have Marcus Urus, meditations, all the stoic. Then you have Emerson, Ralph wado Emerson. You have all the poets and the stoic and all the great thinkers of time. Throughout centuries. What they do is they go out into the freaking woods and they just walk and they think, and that's where they get the answers.

tim:

And they certainly weren't on social media all the time. Wondering what everybody's thinks, their answers were found within themselves and their peer group and the people they respected. And I gotta say I hired. Son Chris road on this last year to work with me. And I've learned so much from him. He's 39 years old and he's the opposite of me. He's very quiet very reflective. And I'm learning from him as we go because he is more and more re reflective and I wanna be more like him, honestly,

brian:

reflect you're not reflective.

tim:

I think I'm active and I'm busy. You know what I mean? I stem. Yeah, I, yeah just more movement oriented than let me get back to you. You know what I mean? Rather than action oriented.

brian:

I love it. So my friend let's plug the book one more time. Where can people get it? And what's it gonna help 'em with they're going to

tim:

quit. It's quit the job you hate for the work you love the quitters manifesto it's available on Amazon audible, bigger pockets.com back slash quitters. And for those that have interest in a coach, we have the quitter's play. Twitter's playbook.com.

brian:

Oh, I love. Tim, thank you for everything that you do. Thank you for every call that you've had for throwing the rope down. You've inspired me to throw the rope down, doing this show because before meeting you, I thought every single bit of information I got gave me such an edge over everyone else. And I was just gonna hold it to my chest because I thought, oh, I'm gonna win. Now. I've got access to all these guys. And then now I realize this is a superior way of doing. To where every single time that I get, if I get off a call with somebody, even that I pay money for and they tell me something interesting, I'm gonna immediately post it out here for everyone else. Throw that rope right back down. So good, Tim. Good to you, man. Thank you for everything, man. I appreciate it.

tim:

It's been my pleasure, Brian. It's fun to watch you grow and keep on growing young man.

brian:

Hey, that's what we do, man. We TA we grow, we take action. We build a life. We don't need a vacation from, so with that, this has been Tim road and Brian with the action academy podcast, quitting everything else besides the stuff that we love and sign it off.